DEFENDING HILLARY: WHO REALLY WON THE VP DEBATE?
By Thom Palmer
October 5, 2016
After reviewing Politifact analysis of the debate, the following results are factual Details can be found at POLITIFACT VP DEBATE FACT CHECK
KAINE'S STATEMENTS WERE RATED AT 94% TRUE and 6% FALSE
PENCE'S STATEMENTS WERE RATED AT 75% FALSE and 25% TRUE
Who won depends on how you look at it. It appears that Pence took a few Xanax, and had already planned on denying everything that Trump has said and then counter-attack with a lie. He did it with masterful precision, keeping his cool, never becoming frustrated by facts being thrown at him for an hour and a half, and then firing back with another lie, which, if believed, would counter the attack with equal force. Good old fashioned "Deny and Counterattack" with false statements.Pence's response to Kaine's accusations, even when Kaine has video evidence of Trump incriminating himself was a cool and calm "No, that's not true", followed by another provable lie about Hillary Clinton's trustworthiness or record.
A majority of the public and media felt that Pence won the debate. My question is: When 75% of everything said is a provable lie, then how can you give the nod to Pence? It has to do with Pence's rock-solid ability to lie with a straight face, and his prepared responses. He did a great job at violating the minds of the electorate with false and misleading information.
The moldy bread analogy comes to mind once more. When so much of the loaf has mold (75% in Pence's case), then do you go through the loaf to find the few pieces of bread that aren't showing mold yet or do you throw out the whole loaf? When such a large percentage of a political party or campaign is based on lies, then the intelligent human being is going to toss out the whole batch. If you toss out the batch, then you have, very simply, 96% truth and fact having been told by Kaine.
Here is a summary of the Politifact analysis, which is a fluid fact-check, being updated as facts are located. I chose to get this out now rather than later, because as you know... "A GOOD LIE CAN TRAVEL MANY TIMES AROUND THE WORLD BEFORE THE TRUTH GETS A START". This stuff needs to be shared, not just with your Hillary-friendly facebook groups, but with all of your groups and friends. My analysis puts Pence's lies at more like 90%, but we'll use the professional fact checkers as a guide.
KAINE WON THE DEBATE, pure and simple. If MEDIA is going to rate performance based on who can lie the best with a straight face, God help us all.
PARTIAL LIST OF STATEMENTS and FACT CHECK
Kaine: Trump "has pursued the discredited and really outrageous lie that President Obama wasn't born in the United States."
TRUE
Pence: "We've seen an economy stifled by more taxes, more regulation, a war on coal, and a failing health care reform come to be known as Obamacare, and the American people know that we need to make a change."
HALF TRUE :
Kaine: "These guys have praised Vladimir Putin as a great leader."
TRUE
Pence: "Hillary Clinton failed to renegotiate a status of forces agreement."
FALSE
Pence: "She had a Clinton Foundation accepting contributions from foreign governments."
TRUE , However, the implication was that Clinton exchanged favors for donations. This is FALSE.
Pence: "We’ve almost doubled the national debt."
TRUE , the money saved the nation from total collapse following the Republican economic melt-down of 2008.
Pence: Kaine "actually tried to raise taxes by about $4 billion."
Pence was referring to three unsuccessful tax hikes proposed by Kaine that adds up to about $4 billion in proposed tax hikes and fees. But Pence is double counting one effort and leaving out a $650 million cut that offsets one of the other tax hikes. PolitiFact Virginia rated this claim Mostly True.
Pence: "They want to expand (Obamacare) into a single-payer program."
FALSE
Kaine: "First, Donald Trump said wages are too high, and both Donald Trump and Mike Pence think we ought to eliminate the federal minimum wage."
TRUE
Kaine: "Fifteen million new jobs" have been created during the Obama years.
TRUE
Kaine: "Richard Nixon released tax returns when he was under audit."
TRUE
Kaine: "Donald Trump wrote a book and he said Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and privatization would be good for all of us."
TRUE
Kaine: Philando Castile "had been stopped by police 40 or 50 times before that fatal incident."
TRUE
Kaine: "And if you look at sentencing in this country, African-Americans and Latinos get sentenced for the same crimes at very different rates."
TRUE
Pence: "Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine want to continue the policies of open borders."
FALSE
Kaine: "When Donald Trump spoke in Phoenix, he looked the audience in the eye and he said, no, we're building a wall, and we're deporting everybody. He said, quote, ‘they will all be gone. They will all be gone.’ This is one of the ones where you can go to the tape on it and see what Donald Trump has said."
TRUE
Kaine: Trump "trash talks the military. The military is a disaster, John McCain's no hero, the generals need all to be fired, and I know more than them."
TRUE
Pence: Donald Trump "never said that" more nations should get nuclear weapons.
FALSE.
Pence: "You didn't stop the nuclear weapons program."
Kaine: "Yes, we did."
PENCE:FALSE KAINE:TRUE
Pence: "Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine want to increase the Syrian refugee program by 500" percent.
TRUE after intense screeneing and waiting period.
Pence: "Elaine, the director of the FBI, our homeland security, said we can't know for certain who these people are coming from Syria."
FALSE
Pence: "We have the smallest Navy since 1916."
MISLEADING. Less ships are needed. We have jets and subs, and bases everywhere.
Kaine: "The Trump campaign management team had to be fired a month or so ago because of those shadowy connections with pro-Putin forces."
TRUE
Kaine: Vladimir Putin "persecutes" journalists.
TRUE
Kaine: "The New York Times suggested that he probably didn't pay taxes for about 18 years starting in 1995."
TRUE
Kaine: "Donald Trump, on the other hand, didn't know that Russia had invaded the Crimea."
Pence: "Oh, that’s nonsense."
KAINE:TRUE PENCE:FALSE
Pence: "We delivered $400 million in cash as a ransom payment for Americans held by the radical mullahs in Tehran.
FALSE
Kaine: The Clinton Foundation "provides AIDS drugs to about 11.5 million people."
TRUE
Pence: "Less than 10 cents on the dollar in the Clinton Foundation has gone to charitable causes."
FALSE and MISLEADING. 87% is spent.
Kaine: Trump Foundation money was spent on "a $20,000 portrait of Donald Trump."
TRUE
Kaine: "A Trump-Pence ticket that wants to punish women who make that choice" on abortion.
TRUE
Kaine: Clinton "worked across the aisle when she was first lady to get the CHIP program passed so that 8 million low-income kids have health insurance in this country, including 150,000 in Indiana."
TRUE
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